The gold rush of broadband

On this episode of Connected Nation, we sit down with a strategic advisor who works with ISPs and co-ops across the country to explore the growing impact of artificial intelligence on the broadband industry. From overcoming fears around AI to helping employees embrace innovation, the conversation dives into the opportunities and challenges organizations face as technology rapidly evolves.

Straight from the Fiber Connect floor, this episode highlights valuable lessons learned from a program at MIT, insights into the future of connectivity, and why autonomous technology may play a major role in what comes next.

Recommended links: 

Timothy Holden LinkedIn

Wavsys website

Failure to Quit website

Transcript

Jessica Denson (00:06):
This is Connected Nation, an award-winning podcast focused on all things broadband. From closing the digital divide to improving your internet speeds, we talk technology topics that impact all of us, our families, and our neighborhoods. On this episode of Connected Nation, I talk with a strategic advisor who works with ISPs and co-ops across the country. We discuss AI fears and opportunities including how to get employees on board with making positive changes using AI. Plus, he shares his best advice he got from a program at MIT and we discuss where the future of connectivity is going and here's a clue it's autonomous. I'm Jessica Denson and this is Connected Nation. I am at Fiber Connect 2026 taking place in Orlando, Florida, May 18th and 19th. And I am with Timothy Holden, who is a strategic advisor for WAVE System. Am I saying that right, Timothy? 

Timothy Holden (01:07):
Yes, you are. Yeah. You are. 

Jessica Denson (01:09):
He, um, I've been stuck down at the end of a hallway. It's all right. I've got a big sign. I tried to bring people back here and, and he wandered around and, uh, he's my first victim this, this time. How are you doing th- doing, Timothy? 

Timothy Holden (01:21):
I'm doing good. I'm doing good. And I'm, I'm happy to be the first victim. <laugh> First victim today. 

Jessica Denson (01:25):
That means we'll put this interview out pretty quickly. Uh, we generally do several interviews during conferences and put them out over the months that come, but you will be our, uh, you'll be the one who s- kicks us off this year. So, uh, first off, let's start with FiberConnect. Why are you at FiberConnect? Um, why is it important for you to be here? Talk about that a little bit. 

Timothy Holden (01:43):
Sure. Um, I think it's, well, for the industry right now, I think it's a really important time. I think there's so much, uh, money being spent, so much capital being invested in, uh, in our networks, so much going on in the political arena around fiber broadband and data centers that it's important to be here just for that reason. Um, my main point in being here is to connect with other people, connect with customers, connect with partners, really get a pulse of what's going on, uh, in the industry right now and see how I can help make a bigger impact on the industry, help get the industry to where it needs to be. And, you know, like all of us here, try to create better connections for all of our family, friends, and the people that depend on these broadband networks. 

Jessica Denson (02:24):
And I misspoke. The dates are actually May 17th through the 20th. I'm here the 18th and the 19th. I haven't had a chance to explore, but it's huge, isn't it? Uh, there's hundreds of vendors here. Have you had a chance to look around much yet? 

Timothy Holden (02:36):
I haven't been able to go out to the Expo Hall yet because it isn't open. Uh-huh. So it'll open there in about an hour, I think. Um, I have had a chance to walk around the whole facility and, uh, meet with a lot of, uh, colleagues past, present and some new people, meet them, meet some new people around the area. Mm-hmm. Um, and so it, it, it looks fantastic. Um, a lot of people here. There's a ton of people that I've met for the first time and some great, um, people I've connected with and it's a great location. I think this, uh, this hotel is amazing. It is. It's something that I really wish we had brought my family along for this one. <laugh> But, um, yeah, it's a great facility, great location, and it's a high energy group out there. I think everybody's waiting for that expo hall to open and get in there. 

Jessica Denson (03:17):
Yeah. I think it's gonna be a, a mass, um, entrance into 

Timothy Holden (03:21):
It. <laugh> Oh, 

Jessica Denson (03:21):
Absolutely. Um, and it is a beautiful place. I, I unfortunately am off, I, I, I registered late so I'm off campus, but I, when I walked in, I was like, wow, I was amazed. Now let's, let's get into, to what WaveSys does and talk about that. What does the organization, um, focus on? Um, what, what are you ... I know you're the strategic advisor. What is, what do you do in that role? What does that mean for, um, your clients, that type of thing. So talk about the base of Wasis and what you do. 

Timothy Holden (03:51):
Sure. So, you know, WaveSys is, uh ... Well, I'd say WaveSys is a strategic delivery partner. They work with, um, the large, uh, large telcos across, uh, the US to, uh, help them design solutions, implement solutions in order to serve their customers. Uh, they provide, um, they provide people to support those programs, they provide engineers and lots of staffing solutions. At the same time, they perform a lot of the EFNI work, a lot of the installation work out in the field, um, engineering support and, um, all sorts of support across, uh, both the wireless and wireline side of the business. And the thing that really separates, uh, WaveSys is that partnership ability. They're really a trusted partner with their customers. Customers turn to them and ask for, you know, how can you support me in this situation or I'm having this specific problem. How can you come in and help me with this or give me some advice? 

(04:45)
And it doesn't always turn into a sale. Sometimes it's just helping somebody out and that's really what separates, uh, WaveSys from some of their peers. 

Jessica Denson (04:54):
And so you, you deal ... Your, your clients are generally the ISPs. Is that right? Do I have that correct or is it, uh, is it a wide range of different people within the broadband space? 

Timothy Holden (05:03):
Uh, generally the ISPs, the ISPs and the co-ops. Mm-hmm. That's some of our more interesting customers we've been working with lately is some of the telco co-ops. 

Jessica Denson (05:11):
And that, those are two different worlds, really. 

Timothy Holden (05:13):
Mm-hmm. 

Jessica Denson (05:14):
They're, they're, they're adjacent but different. So talk about how you approach an ISP versus a co-op. 

Timothy Holden (05:20):
Um, so I really, they're different, but at the same time when I'm approaching, uh, any of these customers, I approach it the same way to try to understand, you know, what is the purpose for what you're doing? Why, why do you, why is, why are you here at this company? Why do you do what you do? Mm-hmm. And try to get to understand what that core purpose, what that core why is for that company, whether it be an ISP, whether it be a, a co-op, what, why do they do what they do? Why are they proud of what they do every day? And then from there, we approach it from the perspective of, okay, well, so what's working really well and where are the areas that you're trying to improve? What are the things that are keeping you up at night? And then we try to take a look at the things that are do- they're doing really well and how we, can we apply them to the areas that aren't going so well and, uh, help them basically overcome some of the hurdles so they can amplify the impact they're having on the industry, amplify their impact on their customers and give their employees a great experience. 

(06:15)
So yeah. 

Jessica Denson (06:17):
Yeah. Um, right now, obviously, uh, because of BEAD over the last few years, the 42 billion that's out there- mm-hmm. ... we've seen, um, uh, the industry explode and then wait, wait, wait <laugh> start moving forward and wait, wait, wait and start moving forward. So talk about from your point of view, how does the industry look right now? Um, what do you think is gonna ha- and you're, I know I'm asking you to kind of guess a little bit, but what do you think, what do you see is happening over the next year, five years? 

Timothy Holden (06:46):
Oh, it's a great question. So, um, yeah, so I spent, before my time at WaveSys, I was at, uh, Erickson for about 20 years. So I have a lot of experience from, uh, doing large deployments in the, in the wireless side of the business- mm-hmm. ... and some of the wireline. And what you're seeing right now is there's a, a, a major shift, uh, in I would say telecom, um, telecom focus or even what I would call telecom talent. There's a lot of people moving from wi- the wireless space over to the, uh, the fiber space. Mm-hmm. Um, a lot of companies that have only been s- supporting one side moving into fiber because there's so much spend in the fiber side of the business right now with bead funding, with the big, beautiful bill, there's so much focus on getting into the fiber side of the business where there already are some great companies working and great companies that have been working for quite some time. 

Jessica Denson (07:46):
Mm-hmm. 

Timothy Holden (07:47):
The level of competition is increasing. Um, and I think it's going to continue, I think as far as the amount of work in this industry, it's going to increase over the next three, four, five years, right up until 2030 and beyond, um, just based on the funding that's going into it as well as all the data center servicing and everything that goes along with it. Um, I think what that's going to lead to is what is the most effective way to get the work done? Mm-hmm. There's all this work that has to be done. What is the most effective way to train our teams and our people to be successful in the field? And I think that's what you're seeing right now. I think with the amount of work that we're doing, uh, the amount of work that's coming out in the industry, there's also some challenges about, you know, how much are people being paid for that work- mm-hmm.

(08:34)
... and how do we manage that? So, um, I think this is going to be a very wild five years- Yeah. ... for the next five years. I think it's gonna be, there's gonna see a lot of con- we're gonna see a lot of consolidation as well as a lot of new startups come into the area. I think every part of broadband is going to be changing significantly over the next five years as some companies rise up, some new front runners come in, some companies consolidate. Mm-hmm. Um, and there's almost like the gold rush of broadband right now because there's so much opportunity here and there's so many people coming into the space. So I think it's gonna be very exciting that's very generalistic- Yeah. ... view of the next five years <laugh> But I, I don't think I'm telling you anything that you don't already know, but I just think there's so many people, so many companies and, uh, so many investors looking to see how they can get into this part of the business that you're gonna see a lot of new entrants and a lot of consolidation and, um, some adjustments that will have to be made in how we compensate our teams in order to keep the best people out there working. 

Jessica Denson (09:42):
Mm-hmm. I, I think, I find it interesting that you call it the Gold Rush broadband because before people were always like, "Oh, it's electrification. It's just like electrification in the early 1900s for the US is what they were comparing it to. " mm-hmm. But I do think that your analogy is much more apropos <laugh> for what's happening. Um, anyway, uh, do you guys work with small ISPs, large ISPs all over the place? Um, I know co- co-ops tend to be a little smaller, but they can be regional. Do you work with, with groups that are all different sizes? 

Timothy Holden (10:13):
Yeah, we work, we work with national vendors, we work with regionals and we work with smaller in the city, you know, down to a small region area. So we work with all different size, uh, companies and, uh, it's interesting that the challenges, while the individual challenges might be different at each company, they're usually part of the same thing and usually always, the, our biggest challenges always come down to, you know, communication processes. Um, there are sometimes some tool issues and some, some hardware issues and software issues we have to deal with, but majority of the time it's gonna be some sort of a communication issue that we're really going in there to solve or some process improvements or things like that. 

Jessica Denson (10:53):
Um, what about AI right now? I mean, you can't, we can't have a conver- any conversation, probably every single interview I do today and tomorrow are gonna be some form of AI is gonna ha- we're gonna talk about it. Mm-hmm. So from your point of view, how is WaveSys using AI within its own company and with, with its clients? 

Timothy Holden (11:12):
Uh, sure. Great question. So absolutely AI is, is, uh, <laugh> it's huge. Um, and for this industry, it's interesting because not only is it changing the way of working, which is doing for every industry, but this industry is an enabler of AI because of without the broadband, you're not gonna be able to have your data centers. So it's the enabler of artificial intelligence as well as, uh, you know, an industry that's gotta learn how to use artificial intelligence. Um, what I would say is first of all, w- every company that's in this arena over the next five years has to learn how to use artificial intelligence. I think there's some companies that are further ahead and there's some companies that are further behind, but I think over the next three years, we should all be, I would say, stabilized in the same place. Um, and the real differentiator we're gonna see is how do you use the time it creates?

(12:09)
So artificial intelligence doesn't necessarily come up with new ideas, but what it can do is it can, it can save you a lot of time. So if you're doing a presentation, if you're doing some other s- sort of task, you know, is your company, uh, your, is your impact as an employee being able to generate a great presentation or have a great idea? Mm-hmm. And I think it's to have great ideas. So if I can save two hours by using AI to take my idea and all my data and turn it into a great presentation, how am I gonna then use those two hours? So what I see going on with AI is the, the leading companies, the ones that are really out the f- the tip of the spear are gonna be the ones that are saying to their teams, "All right, we're gonna give you AI to use to make your, to simplify some of those administrative tasks, and we want you to spend that extra time thinking about where are we going from here?

(13:00)
How are we gona expand our business? How can we give better services to our customers?" Mm-hmm. "What are some calculated risks we can take? We don't want you to blow up the company- <laugh> ... But what are some calculated risks we could take and start thinking outside of the box?" And I think all the companies in every industry, you're gonna see the ones that really get ahead over the next few years are the ones that look at how are they best gonna utilize the time they're free up. Um, otherwise, I mean, this industry's really gona capitalize on AI because it's gonna drive everything we talked about earlier with the gold rush- mm-hmm. ... so much of that comes from AI. Uh, 

Jessica Denson (13:33):
Is d- are you hearing f- are there some common fears that you're hearing out there or are there, are people excited about this? Are companies excited to find ways to use this to innovate? Uh, 

Timothy Holden (13:44):
The, there are common fears. Mm-hmm. Um, I was lucky enough to go through some, uh, some training and spend some time at MIT as well, uh, uh, MIT as well as, um, spend some time, uh, talking- Did you say MIT? Yeah. Yeah. We were able to do- 

Jessica Denson (13:57):
The 

Timothy Holden (13:57):
MIT. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. There's, so I don't wanna make that sound too big of a brag, but there is, uh, MIT, uh, has a Sloan Academy, which, you know, everybody can, can go there, take some classes and, um, you can add that to your resume, but they have some great programs on AI for business leaders and, uh, one of the things we learned there was, um, a common fear, um, I didn't learn the fear there, but I learned how to deal with it is around security. You know, for artificial intelligence to work- mm-hmm. ... you have to put a lot of information into the system so we can, uh, the system, the artificial intelligence, the algorithms can, can actually go in and make decisions and generate insights. And in order for that to work, um, you have to give it access to a lot of information.

(14:42)
So data security is a real fear that a lot of companies, a lot of individuals have. Um, in order to make it work, you know, you have to spend a lot of time classifying your data the right way, making sure you identify what roles have access to what information. Mm-hmm. You know, if I'm doing a presentation, you wouldn't want me to know how much you're making. Basically- No. Yeah. I'm, if I'm, if I'm two employees sitting next to each other, you wouldn't want one to be able to see how much the other person is making and that, that kind of access to that data. But, um, that's one of the biggest concerns is security and to solve for that is really making sure you have good classification. The other side of it, I see from the, from, from, uh, a lot of people I talk to as a fear about their jobs being replaced. 

(15:23)
And, um, you know, I think that's a safe ... I think that's a fair thing to be concerned about. I think a lot of people have seen what's happened in the past and as technology changes, roles change.

(15:33)
Mm-hmm. Um, I talked to, we had a, had a good session at Nate, uh, a couple months ago at Nate Unite and we had a session on the future of digital tools and how AI is gonna impact. And so this question came up and, um, the way we handled it and the w- I think the way you work with AI is it will help you to get some things done. It'll help you to get a lot of your base things completed and, and a lot of your administrative tasks completed, but it's not gona come up with new ideas. Right. So that's the area where we all need to remember that, you know, we're- We need a human element. The human element is coming up with the new ideas and thinking about the connections that aren't there and the people we can connect with and come up with new things and go forward and really having that impact every day.

(16:23)
So, um, that's probably one of the biggest fears is the fear of replacement. Um, and when I work with companies like in all, and with, with WaveSys, uh, with WaveSystem when we're working with companies, we talk about, you know, this is really an enabler- mm-hmm. ... this is a way you can get forward. Uh, you can, you can move your company forward by utilizing this to make your teams much more effective. Um, we've actually started, you know, we have some new AI, uh, tools we're using in- house to make our teams more effective, make our field teams more effective and really allow them to move forward and we're bringing them forward with our customers in order to, you know, really empower the customers, empower the customer's employees with more information in order to make faster real-time decisions. 

Jessica Denson (17:05):
Mm-hmm. So do you think that some of the things you get, people can do to alleviate those fears for staff or employees is to look at how to shift to innovate, use people in the right way within that pipeline kind of thing. In other words, use AI for those administrative tasks for, for, for, you know, making things easier and more efficient so to free up time for the human element to check over that work, yes, but also to innovate and look forward. That's what I'm hearing from you. Is that right? 

Timothy Holden (17:40):
Yeah, absolutely. I think it goes back to that adage that, um, people, and this is a generalization, I realize that, but I, it's true for me also. People hate change that is done to them- Yeah. <laugh> ... And they love change that is done by them or with them. Yeah. So AI falls into that same category. Uh, get your teams engaged with it. You know, you have a security policy, you wanna keep your data safe, I absolutely agree. You need to do that. So figure out what's the first use case that's safe that you can use with your company. And it could be the simplest thing. Then roll that out, let your employees use it and ask what they think about it, ask how it works, ask them for, how does this make your job easier, and then what do you wanna do with the time that frees up?

(18:22)
Mm-hmm. So that's, that's the biggest thing we could do, I think, as, um, as leaders, um, and as driving the industry forward is, you know, don't make it a change you're forcing on people, make the, make your team part of the change. 

Jessica Denson (18:36):
That's good advice. Very good advice. 

Timothy Holden (18:38):
Yeah. 

Jessica Denson (18:38):
No wonder you're a strategic advisor. <laugh> 

Timothy Holden (18:39):
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. If I, if I was a, if I was a good strategic advisor, I wouldn't been traveling the week my son's graduating. Oh no, is he grazing? I have to head back tonight. So if Jack hears this, congratulations Jack. He's graduating on Thursday. Graduation 

Jessica Denson (18:52):
Jack. Yeah. What's he, where's he graduating from? 

Timothy Holden (18:54):
Uh, he's gr- he's graduating from Prosper High School in Prosper, Texas, and he's gonna be going to UTD in the fall. 

Jessica Denson (19:00):
Ooh. 

Timothy Holden (19:00):
Yeah. 

Jessica Denson (19:01):
Awesome. 

Timothy Holden (19:01):
Yeah. 

Jessica Denson (19:02):
Is that, uh, uh, Texas or is that U- is that, um, what's UTD? 

Timothy Holden (19:07):
Uh, it's University of Texas at Dallas. Oh, in 

Jessica Denson (19:09):
Dallas. Okay. Yeah. That's what I thought, you said UT and I was like, wait, that's Texas, but that's Austin. Yeah. I don't know what the D is. Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I have said on this podcast before I'm, I'm a lifelong Texan. I was born in Texas, lived, grew up in Texas. I live in Kentucky now though. 

Timothy Holden (19:23):
Oh, 

Jessica Denson (19:24):
Okay. <laugh> Um, well, congratulations, Jack. Now, let's talk a litle bit about you. What is your background? How did you get to the, uh, to WaveSys? You mentioned some that you were working for Erickson for a while. So, uh, what's, what's your background, what brought you here? 

Timothy Holden (19:38):
Sure. So, um, so, uh, grew up in Tuncanic, Pennsylvania. Okay. So the Scranton area, um, and I did, after college, spend a little bit of time working at a paper company in Scranton. So yes, paper- Oh, no. <laugh> It was called Paper Magic. It was not called Dunder Mifflin. <laugh> Um, but, uh, I entered the, uh, I got into the wireless world, um, after that job actually. I started doing site acquisition and construction management in the wireless business and I had a small business for a few years and then I joined Erickson, uh, the same year I got married back in 2005 and, um, had a great career there, uh, was managing projects all across the country, uh, worked as a program director. Mm-hmm. Ran, uh, ran regions and worked, uh, moved up into VP roles at Erickson, had great, great experience there, made a lot of friends, made, met so many people in this industry, uh, customers, um, customers, suppliers and so many friends I made throughout that time and we had three kids along the way too. 

(20:39)
Wow. <laugh> The whole family- You were busy. 

(20:42)
Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, it was a great experience. I learned, you know, so much about finance, so much about how, uh, operations work at a large scale organization like that and, uh, how to collaborate, work across teams, solve complex problems. And then, uh, I left Erickson in 24, uh, spent a year at NextEdge, another great company, was able to work with them for a year helping them grow some things. That was a different experience working with a company not as large as, as an Ericsson. Uh-huh. Um, but it was a good experience. They were, uh, they brought several companies together, so it was another good, uh, transition story of companies coming from across the US, um, into on organization and then helping them move forward. Uh, and then I left, uh, NextEdge in 26, just the beginning of this year and started doing my own consulting.

(21:28)
I started, uh, a company a few years ago called, uh, Failure to Quit, which is a leadership program. Oh. I really feel like if I look at back, if I look back at where I came from, um, there were so many things that, you know, didn't work out perfectly. <laugh> Yeah. And it wasn't that I was the smartest person in the room that I moved forward, it was because I just never gave up. And so when I, when I would fail or when something didn't work out, rather than just giving up, I would say, "Okay, what can I learn from that and how can I move forward?" So, um, you know, in my career, we'd done milli- billion dollar programs and crazy margin improvements, but the things that I really enjoyed were the things that I enjoyed were, when I was able to help somebody move up in their career and get to that next level and so I've started to shift as I get later in my career more into coaching and helping people find success and- 

Jessica Denson (22:17):
I love that title, fail, failure to quit. 

Timothy Holden (22:19):
Yep. 

Jessica Denson (22:19):
Yeah. It's fantastic. And so you just recently found WaveSys then? 

Timothy Holden (22:24):
Yeah. So, uh, when I left, uh, NextEdge, I was already talking to WaveSys. I've known them since I was at Erickson many years ago. Uh, so I've known them for a long time, uh, a great company, liked working with them and, uh, when I left NextEdge started talking to WaveSys about some ideas. So part of my consulting is I work with them on helping them grow their business, um, and we have some, they have some great ideas, some really innovative things they're, they're doing going forward and I've been able to collaborate with them and, uh, help them kind of move their company forward and also with some of the co-ops we're working with, we're working to help them improve their operations. So yeah, it's a great company. I like to work with them. 

Jessica Denson (23:00):
So, uh, you, you have your own company then- Yes. ... and that's called failure to quit. 

Timothy Holden (23:04):
Right. 

Jessica Denson (23:05):
Uh, it's awesome. We'll have to look that up. I'll share a link to that. I'll share a link to WaveSys, um, in the description of this podcast. Well, before I let you go, where do you think things will, for WaveSys and, um, in the broadband industry, where do you think they're gonna be in five, 10 years? What is the next big thing on the horizon? Yes, bead, yes, we talked about AI. So beyond that, what do you think it is? 

Timothy Holden (23:27):
Wow. What's beyond- 

Jessica Denson (23:28):
Yeah. <laugh> What's 

Timothy Holden (23:29):
Beyond bead? Um, that's a tough one. So if we look at what's going on across the, uh, the US and what's going across the world right now, there's a lot of shifts in energy. Mm-hmm. Uh, I think energy is, is a big concern as well as, you know, the two big concerns in the world are water and energy and if you talk to anybody that's looking at macroeconomic issues, water and energy are the two things. So if I was thinking what's the next big thing, I think it's about energy and I think it's about, um, you know, what is the future of transportation? Are we gonna see the actual, the full development of, you know, autonomous vehicles-

(24:11)
Mm-hmm. ... and some of those more autonomous industries, you've seen some transportation moves also with some of the, uh, the drones being able to fly people around. I think that's probably those technologies I think will become a bigger part of what we're trying to do and if you think about this industry broadband, um, there's a, a significant need for connection- mm-hmm. ... for all of that to work. Yeah. If you want autonomous vehicles to work, that means you need to have both the energy to service those and the network to service those. Mm-hmm. So that means you need to get coverage and high capacity networks out to a lot of rural areas that don't currently have the coverage. Mm-hmm. So a lot of what we're doing and a lot of the bead funding and everything else we're doing is to get access to individuals, but also to enable an infrastructure that will allow us to do those futuristic things.

(25:01)
So I think five years from now, 10 years from now, we're looking at the actual deployment of more of those autonomous networks, autonomous, you know, more autonomous drones, more autonomous shipping and those kind of technologies. So we'll be seeing how those are actually implemented and then dealing with networking challenges like we've never seen before as we're trying to handle all of those autonomous things that can't, that can't have any latency. 

Jessica Denson (25:25):
Mm-hmm. So. Yeah. At Connect Nation, we talk a lot about the fact that, um, the, the need out there is a moving target and we're gonna need a lot of partners because it's such a big thing that 

Timothy Holden (25:35):
We're 

Jessica Denson (25:36):
Doing. Yeah. Yeah. So well, Timothy Holden, which I said earlier is like a Hollywood name. <laugh> I love it. Timothy Holden with Wave Sis, you're a strategic advisor, but you also have your own company called Failure to Launch. Thank 

Timothy Holden (25:48):
You. Failure to quit. 

Jessica Denson (25:49):
Oh, gosh. Failure to quit. 

Timothy Holden (25:50):
Failure to 

Jessica Denson (25:50):
Launch 

Timothy Holden (25:51):
With a movie with Matthew McConaughey and, uh- 

Jessica Denson (25:54):
Also, uh- 

Timothy Holden (25:55):
Jessica, the one from Sex and the City.

Jessica Denson (25:58):
Oh, no, it's, isn't it, uh, Goldie Hawn's daughter was in it? 

Timothy Holden (26:01):
Was that the one who was in ... I though she was in the- 10 days. Not a lose guy in 10 days. Yeah, you're right. Right. It's unfortunate that I know all of these uh, romantic comedies. What is her- 

Jessica Denson (26:09):
Sarah Jessica Parker. 

Timothy Holden (26:10):
Yeah, Sarah Jessica. So I guess we're learning about the types of movies that- My wife and I watch, so as we learn about all these romantic comedies. All right. <laugh> 

Jessica Denson (26:19):
Well, Timothy Holden, thank you so much. All right. I 

Timothy Holden (26:20):
Appreciate 

Jessica Denson (26:21):
Your time today. All 

Timothy Holden (26:21):
Right. Thank you, Jessica. Thank you. Bye. 

Jessica Denson (26:31):
I'll continue my coverage from Fiber Connect 2026 in upcoming episodes of the Connected Nation Podcast. Until then, I'm Jessica Denson and this is Connected Nation. If you want to know more about us, head to connectednation.org and you can find our latest episodes on your favorite podcast platform.